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Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. Do you think the stretching feels good? There's more to my answer than you might think. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. Elizabeth. I couldnt find these terms in my Bible! If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Go beyond our fears. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. Scroll up to the top of the page and click on the Recommended Bible Teachers tab. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). - Jonah didnt smell good. My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. Heres why. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. And it cometh to pass, when all the kings who are beyond the Jordan, in the hill-country, and in the low-country, and in every haven of the great sea, over-against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, hear --. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. Michelle, what do you think about this article? As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Do you send women to your articles as a response? Pentecostal. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Josh 9:1. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. read more, Scripture: (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. I and my attendants will fast as you do. God knew what He was doing. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) And then help teach it to other women. Sermon by Rick Crandall Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. You decide. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. It will be called the good shepherd calls. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) Some of the points you bring up give me pause. You do not have to know whether or not Im a credible source to examine the evidence in light of Scripture and come to the conclusion that she is sinning. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Scripture: Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. They are busy caring for their churches. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Isaiah 58:12. How is this different? They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. 2 John 1:1-11. Thank you! But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. This is not a Church. I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. Mark 7:31-37 It often times fails. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. 4. Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. read more, Scripture: Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. Not from Scripture. Ive read her own account explaining this. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? Then why did you ask me any questions? Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. (This is where the video above ends. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? B. 2. This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. Yes it is the little people or the less known that are standing against these deceptions and I am so glad that you are and there are many more. And this faith is . I dont want to lead us astray ). The law in this case, being Scripture. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) What we believe about that is irrelevant. Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! Go beyond what's familiar. 13 Bible Verses about God's Ways Beyond Human Understanding Most Relevant Verses Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. TRUTH AND LOVE Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. 3. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. 1And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. Or and be .. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. One of them went up to him and told him. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. Go beyond by faith. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! read more, Scripture: And, sometimes, basic is enough. Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). MATTHEW 14:16 Then please feel free to ask Id be glad to help you or look it up. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access This is how people learn and grow in their faith. How is this different?. She does. Amen. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. 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